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Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

Posted on: November 20, 2010 2:11 pm
Edited on: August 14, 2011 8:58 pm
An analysis of the five-player trade between the Toronto Raptors and the New Orleans Hornets involving Peja Stojakovic, Jerryd Bayless, Jarrett jack-bayless  Jack, David Andersen and Marcus Banks. Posted by Ben Golliver According to multiple reports, and confirmed by's Ken Berger, the Toronto Raptors and New Orleans Hornets have agreed to exchange five players via trade. Toronto will send guard Jarrett Jack, guard Marcus Banks and big man David Andersen to New Orleans for guard Jerryd Bayless, who was recently acquired in a trade with the Portland Trail Blazers, and forward Peja Stojakovic. New Orleans Hornets
Stojakovic and his giant expiring contract were bound to be traded this season, and this trade signals that Hornets were happy to just unload the salary and reduce their cap number to get further under the luxury tax without looking to acquire a big-dollar asset in return in a larger package deal. That's smart cap management. The Hornets, despite their fast start, are still working to establish a backcourt rotation around all star point guard Chris Paul. Compared to Bayless, Jack is more of a "Monty Williams Type" of player and prototypical third guard that can defend two positions, he brings a better all-around game, and strength and toughness off the bench. Right now, he's a better defender and a better play-maker than Bayless, he's more mature and he runs an offense better. In terms of keeping Paul happy and making a playoff push in the short-term, Jack is the guy over Bayless. To make that upgrade, New Orleans takes on Jack's contract that runs this year plus two more at roughly $5 million a year. It might be a bit more than he's worth, but he's a solid rotation guard so it's not terrible by any means. Banks is not an impact player, and the good news for the Hornets is that his $4.8 million contract expires this season, so he's likely out of sight and out of mind this summer unless he really impresses. David Andersen, a jump-shooting 7-footer from Australia, has battled the "soft" label so far throughout his NBA career, and in typical fashion the "soft" label has beaten him down. His contract runs through next season but is not fully guaranteed, so his long-term future in New Orleans is also questionable.  This trade is a good reminder that large expiring contracts are probably over-valued in the public mind. Here a $14 million expiring contract was outright dumped to facilitate a swap of back-up quality guards, and nothing more. Toronto Raptors The Raptors had been rumored to trade one of their point guards -- Jose Calderon or Jarrett Jack -- for months, because there wasn't room for both, but this seems like a strange, bad way to make that inevitable move. Stojakovich, for all intents and purposes, is done as an NBA player, so the main reason to trade for him would be to unload a massive contract by receiving his expiring deal. The Raptors didn't do that here, shedding only expiring and/or partially guaranteed contracts along with the future money owed to Jack, which wasn't all that significant. The best defense of this trade from Toronto's perspective is that they love the potential of Bayless, who is still waiting for the right opportunity to strut his lottery talent. But Bayless presents many of the same fit issues for Toronto that Jack did, as his skillset is not especially complementary to Calderon and fellow guard Leandro Barbosa.  Toronto needs defense in the backcourt, and Bayless is a downgrade from Jack in that department right now. The Raptors also need someone to help guide the development of promising wings DeMar DeRozan and Sonny Weems, and Bayless isn't known for his play-making or passing abilities. Like Barbosa, Bayless is best as a scorer off the dribble. How many of those guys do you need, especially when your centerpiece is a floor-stretching post man? Get ready, Raptors fans, to watch Bayless blow by his man to the glass as Andrea Bargnani stands at the free throw line with his hands up, wondering where the ball disappeared to.  The big upside regarding Bayless is his contract: he's still on his rookie deal and he has shown flashes of legitimate top-end talent and scoring ability, thanks to a solid first step and an ability to get to the free throw line. He'll have all the time in the world to reach his potential in Toronto, which has arguably the worst roster in the league before this trade, and just made it worse. The only way to salvage this deal is to create an environment where Bayless can really blossom, as his potential is the only on-court asset acquired. Therefore, you would hope Toronto has more moves coming in the immediate future, perhaps flipping Stojakovic's contract for a quality piece at the trade deadline, which could make this trade look totally different if it netted an impact piece.  You also have to wonder why the Raptors stuck with the highly-paid Jose Calderon over Jack. Perhaps his contract was too difficult to move.  Winners and Losers 

The winners are GM Dell Demps and his Hornets owners, from a financial perspective, and Jack for getting to leave a bad situation for a winning situation and a coach with whom he is familiar. The losers here are Toronto Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo, who just moved a solid trade asset to downgrade at the position in the short term, and Jerryd Bayless, who goes from fighting for minutes in a crowded backcourt on two winning teams this year to fighting for minutes in a crowded backcourt on a terrible team.  NBA fans are also winners here because of this oddity: this trade marks the second time in 2.5 years that Jarrett Jack and Jerryd Bayless were exchanged for each other. On draft night 2008, the Indiana Pacers selected Bayless and traded him to the Portland Trail Blazers for Jarrett Jack and the rights to Brandon Rush.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 22, 2010 11:16 am

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

This worst roster in the league talk about the Raptors has to be from someone or people who never see the Raptors play or they are clueless. They have a YOUNG roster, an ATHLETIC roster and in fact a relatively talented roster. In fact they are currently playing better now than anytime over the past two years with Bosh in the lineup. Bargnani was their downfall when they were losing early on. His performance over the past few games has been excellent- ok he will never be a grinder but he has played well. The biggest change is guys like Kleiza who were supposed to be the face of the franchise have taken on a secondary role to young athletic Americans- Derozen, Weems, Johnson.

This is far from the best roster but FAR from the worst. And right now I will take these guys ahead of a Bosh led Raptor team any time. And they will only get better and guys like Bayless will finally get their shot.

One other point- there are many lousy players in the league right now who have tremendously huge egos, reputations and names. Yet they pretty much suck night in and night out- Tracey McGrady, Vince Carter the list is long. There is no connection between reputation/ contract and quality of play. Sonny, Derrozen and Johnson are not known but they are currently outplaying at least half of the players playing their position in the league. Derozen goes up against Kobe, Pierce and other elite swingmen night in and night out and the big names are NOT walking all over him.

Worst in the league? Nonsense! The worst rosters in the league are those filled with overpaid aging players who really don't care much any more.

Since: Sep 23, 2006
Posted on: November 21, 2010 10:37 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

Ben Golliver you must have been smoking something when you wrote this. Worst roster in the league? Well the worst roster in the league just beat the Boston Celtics. This is the Post Bosh era (Who by now is wishing he was in Toronto) Jack was a good point guard when you had Bosh to hide the flaws in his game. This year he was terrible. Liked you as a person glad to see you go though! As for Jerryd Bayless give him sometime I am sure he will develope into a top notch point guard. Remember Triano and P.J. both coached this guy in the summer they know what he brings better than anyone else. Point guards is a Triano specialty just look at Steve Nash who credits Triano with his development as a point guard. The only guy that will be missed in this trade is David Anderson as very smart player who can knock down the 3. Not many can as a big man. To me the Losers here are the Hornets because all in all they go Jack for another 2 years. Calderon is a very good passer and playmaker which helps push the ball up the floor. Barbosa was very good at that today as well against Boston. Barbosa used to move the ball for the Suns when Steve Nash was out so for this guy to say he doesn't move the ball well he should have watched some tapes or todays game. The biggest loser in the trade is Ben Golliver for the column he wrote which really really sucked since it was not at all objective.  

Since: Nov 21, 2010
Posted on: November 21, 2010 8:15 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

Calderon's value seems inflated because he usually ends up playing most of his minutes against 2nd string PG's.  Defensive liability and can't break a defense down, would have rather shipped him out than Jack.

Since: Nov 21, 2010
Posted on: November 21, 2010 6:48 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

You are an idiot for not doing your research about the last time the Hornets went to the playoffs and obviously don't know anything about the franchise.  The Hornets made the playoffs 2 years ago and 3 years ago.  3 years ago they beat Dallas in the first round and took San Antonio to 7 games in the second round.  Not only that, but they are probably the most exciting team in the league to watch.  Last year they probably would have made the playoffs, but Chris Paul was injured for most of the season.  Now that he is back this team is back at the top of the standings.  Before you make an idiotic statement like that at least do your research and provide a decent argument.  Maybe they should be contracted, but not by your stupid argument!

Since: May 30, 2007
Posted on: November 21, 2010 6:36 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

"I strongly believe that both these franchises should be contracted. When was the last time either team went to the playoffs? Exactly"

Like 3 years ago. Toronto won the Atlantic and the Hornets were a championship contender. Why not contract the Knicks, Nets, Warriors, Timberwolves, Clippers, and Charlotte while we're at it.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 21, 2010 6:03 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

I watched Toronto beat a Rondoless Celtic team today, saw them beat Orlando- made a game of it in Miami, give the Lakers a run and for those of you who don't see them much- they are young and athletic. Bayless will fit right in and a lot of these guys who did not have it work out in other places (Weems, Derozen, Johnson, Wright) may be just what Toronto needs- guys who might stick around and appreciate the chance to develop. 

 Truthfully I think when you count in expiring contracts and the potential trade of Peja I believe Toronto won on this one. Bayless has a wicked upside but was rotting in NO. Jack will never be more than a good backup point guard- don't get me wrong, I like Jack- he will be an asset but he is what he is- no more up side there but likely a good fit in NO. Given he is better than Bayless now but Bayless will have a more accomplished career. Then you have Peja and his expiring contract for Anderson, a journeyman centre  and Marcus Banks a third string PG both of these guys with some contract left past this year. Peja is worth these two guys plus the Raptors shed two unwanted contracts.

Toronto won this trade hands down.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: November 21, 2010 4:53 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

I strongly believe that both these franchises should be contracted. When was the last time either team went to the playoffs? Exactly! Teams also should not be able to unload bad contracts. If they were stupid enough to over pay a player then they should be forced to honor the contract. Of course, if a team is able to find someone dumber than they are to take the contract off their hands so be it. 
In regards to the trade of Jack for Bayless (again) who here besides me thinks that those two will eventually end on the same team. 

Since: Jul 5, 2010
Posted on: November 21, 2010 4:08 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

Calderone??? SERIOUSLY??? All he has ever been able to do was have a nice start to his career. Injury prone, shooter  is all he is.  He sucks and has for  awhile. on a team that has been so terrible for so long his numbers should have been alot better.  He sucks.  Other than Steve Nash, and Tony Parker how many great foreign point guards are there?  European players are shooters, plain and simple. not point guards.  Now we will just wait and see how well Rubio does next year on an up and coming timberwolve team..

Since: Jul 5, 2010
Posted on: November 21, 2010 4:02 pm

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

You know it is kind of funny how long, or should i say short time it takes for people to forget the brilliance of a college athlete. Now i am not saying that i am a huge fan of bayless but come on the guy does have a nice skill set. And how is to say that he wont grow into an elite player. Speed has become a nice attribute in the nba recently.  And he does have that, and the ability to score the basketball.  Jack has had a nice start to the year but come on this guy is just a backup. And his bloated numbers will take a sharp downward spiral now that he is in the west and competing against top notch teams vying for a playoff spot.  so yuck it up hornet fans, but lets see what you think about this trade in two years from now, or maybe even next year.  All this guy needs is a chance to play, and now he has got it. Remember a guy named Billups?  He was labeled as a young player and even called a bust.  Hmmmm if i remember right didnt he win a championship? Give the guy a chance and if he sucks then bleed him out but until then lets wait and seeeeeeeeeee.

Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: November 21, 2010 11:26 am

Raptors / Hornets Trade Analysis

I'm surprised by this article. Leaves me wondering who the 'experts' are anymore? Sure, on the front side of this deal N.O. gets the better player - Jack is a quality bench player and a positive influence on the team. He is however, NOT the better point guard from Toronto, especially when you have "a floor-stretching big man". Jose runs a much better offense and is far more of a threat to score, keeping the defense much more honest.

As well, with Toronto's trade exemption (rumoured to be about $12.5 million) and now the addition of Peja's expiring contract, the Raps have somewhere in the neighbourhood of $25 million of cap flexibility. Not too shabby for the 'black sheep' franchise - oh yeah, how's Bosh doing? That Carter guy has got a pile of titles since he left...oh wait. And wow, Tracy lighting up New York on your what??, fourth franchise.

Finally, this deal brings Toronto's core of players to an average age of 24 years with Calderon being the grizzled vet at 30, Bargs showing flashes of real potential at 25, and a trio of athletic guards and wings in DeRozan, Weems, and now Bayless. And we haven't even got to the fact that Ed Davis is going to be vying for minutes or that Leinus Kleiza is one of the most under-rated combo big-men out there. And I haven't even gotten to the Regend and his 10+ boards a night. And the Brazilian Blur? I think the upside of this team is tremendous.

In the end, the Raps might not win on the court this week or even this month, but New Orleans did nothing with their one asset (Peja's expiring contract) to warrant them consideration for a serious run at the title now, and Toronto's future is very bright. Toronto wins. Hands down.

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