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Derrick Rose and the cult of contact

Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:15 pm
Posted by Matt Moore

It began with this, from John Hollinger at ESPN: 

Derrick Rose doesn't draw fouls. That's about all the negativity I can muster toward him in an impressive first quarter of the season, yet it remains an important distinction in evaluating his place among the league's elite.
via Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose not yet an elite point guard - ESPN.

Then Bulls blog Bulls By The Horns chimed in:
No matter what some people say — that Rose doesn’t draw contact on his many drives to the basket — Derrick gets hit. Often. It’s just that, unlike most NBA players, he doesn’t flail or flop or scream when it happens. That fact, more so than his ability to absorb the blows and finish anyway, is what has prevented him from making more trips to the line.
via Game 23 Recap: Bulls 92, Pacers 73 » By The Horns.
Finally, Zach Lowe of SI delved deeper: 

But if Rose’s usage rate and free-throw numbers stay at their current rates, he’d become only the sixth player in three decades (since the introduction of the three-point line) to post a usage rate greater than 30 percent while attempting fewer than five foul shots per 36 minutes, according to Basketball-Reference.* The others: Ben Gordon, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, Baron Davis and journeyman Freeman Williams, who did it while playing for the Clippers in 1979-80.
via The Point Forward » Posts Why does Rose rarely get to free-throw line? «.

The debate revolves around whether Rose is bad at drawing freebies because he's not getting the calls for some reason, or whether he has issues with contact. Hollinger doesn't believe that Rose, a star the league is very much marketing towards in a major market, isn't lacking for the benefit of the doubt with the officials. Bulls by the Horns' Matt McHale on the other hand thinks that Rose's stoic handling of contact doesn't afford him the same results do to his lack of theatrics. So what's the answer? 

Watching Rose from an outside perspective, I've always been struck by his ability to avoid getting ensnared in collapsing interior defense. He weaves through contact and that's what allows him to create amazing shots off the high glass. But he does lean away from contact. He doesn't lean away from contact the way Vince Carter shies away from contact, he simply anticipates the hit and works to create space for his shot. That's an incredible skill. It also doesn't get him to the line. 

Following up on the data Lowe presented, Synergy Sports pegs Rose as the 40th best player with at least 50 possession in the pick and roll at drawing fouls. In isolation, he's 42nd among players with 50 possessions at drawing a shooting foul, and 27th in getting any free throws period. That's worse than Brandon Roy, who has no meniscus. He's also posting a 30+ usage rate, fifth best in the league. This isn't to say that he's not making the most of his usage, he is. He's brilliant. That three pointer which has so often flagged off and held him in check? It's falling, and in key situations. His jumper's still a work in progress but it's forgivable when you examine his ability to get to the rim. Quite simply, he's an elite player in every category except drawing fouls. And that category is one in which he is so bad it does impact his status. I won't go so far as to say he's not elite. He is. But he needs to learn to get those fouls, and that may mean absorbing more contact. 

Then again, Dwyane Wade absorbs a ton of contact and has his entire career. He's also missed hundreds of games due to injury. 

Maybe if we consider that something has to suffer for a player to be great, drawing contact is an acceptable limitation.
Category: NBA

Since: Jan 2, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2010 9:19 pm

Derrick Rose and the cult of contact

I think his body control and ability to avoid contact on a lot of plays makes the refs have a hard time seeing when he DOES get hit because he still finishes the shot. if he flopped or flailed.... that's easier to see than the actual foul. It's a sad truth that the refs eyes aren't as good as the NBA wants us to believe. I can't even see a lot of it until replay, but I expect professional refs to.

Sad thing is - I respect DRose for not being a whiner, but if it hurts the team I guess he'll have to go Kobe style and start talking to the refs after every play. .... or isn't that supposed to be a T? Goofy.

Since: Sep 6, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2010 8:15 pm

Derrick Rose and the cult of contact

NOT AN ELITE PG??? ESPN would say that, they hate Chicago sports period. Yeah I wouldn't fret over it, it's not like Rose is one of those elite players who sucks at playing D and can't shoot, I would rather he be known for foul shooting lacking than the other two. Case in point one of the best players at drawing contact... Corey Maggette and he does because he is dirty, and Rose has done more in 2 years than Maggette has his whole career. So it's a mute point.

Since: Oct 21, 2010
Posted on: December 14, 2010 6:58 pm

Derrick Rose and the cult of contact

Derrick Rose is fouled A TON but only about half of the fouls are called.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:44 pm

Derrick Rose and the cult of contact

Rose gets fouled constantly with no foul to show for it. Does he slightly lean away from contact at times? I guess so, which only proves that he's not an idiot. He still draws peeeee-lenty of contact. Don't believe me? Watch clips of his spill last night, and that was him driving to the hoop with 90 seconds to go and an enormous lead. In any event, certain players (we know which ones) get a foul every time the ball doesn't fall through the hoop.

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