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Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Posted on: December 15, 2010 10:19 pm
Edited on: December 16, 2010 10:40 am
 
Posted by Matt Moore

UPDATE 10:41 p.m. EST:
A league spokesman for the NBA informs CBSSports.com that there was no "trigger" that occurred which would allow a review of Pierce's game winner, which meant that it stood as called. So that explains that. We'll have more on the trigger rules later.

UPDATE 11:22 p.m. EST: For what it's worth, a New York  (yes, I hear you Celtics fans) media producer says he timed Amar'e Stoudemire's shot and it came out to .68 seconds . He claims that Pierce's shot was through at .7 as well.

It may not be a rivalry yet, but it's well on its way.

Paul Pierce nailed the game winner over the outstretched arms of Amar'e Stoudemire with .4 seconds left to give the Celtics their run-of-the-mill tough, relentless win 118-116. It was Paul Pierce, coming off a Ray Allen screen, forcing the Knicks to switch, getting Pierce with space on the right elbow, his sweet spot, against Amar'e Stoudemire (who was a beast from the first quarter on). Pierce pushed a little deeper than his favorite spot at the elbow, to the right wing, rose, fired, and...



Kaboom. Knicks lose. A heartbreaker, but that's what the Celtics do. With only .4 left on the clock, the Knicks got the ball to Amar'e Stoudemire for a prayer three. It was, amazingly, good, but after the buzzer. 



Except...

Go back to the Pierce shot. When exactly did that ball go all the way through the net, as the NBA rulebook says it must for it to count?




That would be .6. At least. You might be able to make the argument that it landed at .8.

And if you're interested in the clock on the shot clock? Courtesy of @TheYankeeU on Twitter. 




Couple things:
  • It is well within Boston fans' right to contest that Amar'e still wouldn't have gotten the shot off in time. Trying to match up the times would be nearly impossible, but it was firmly cradled in his hand when the buzzer sounded. Would another.2 to .4 matter?
  • It's also easy to make the argument that Boston might have defended differently (less concern about the lob) with .6 or .8 versus .04. Everything changes with that time differential. There's something in here about chaos theory and parallel universes, but we don't want to go there. 
  • The Knicks still very much had every chance to win this game and Boston took it from them.
  • It's also possible this was a production issue with the network carrying the game, but we're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here. 
But it is a pretty interesting development that at home, in a situation where review is pretty much required, it would certainly appear as if things were amiss in Madison Square Garden.

Great win for Boston, but this shows just how tough of a loss it was for New York. 
Comments

Since: Oct 25, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 9:59 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

You're a tool donkey. what does this have to do with class. its just an argument about the game. Have some class and rant about something else thank your pathetic statements about ny fans.



Since: Feb 23, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 6:20 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Oh yeah, and Donkey, your an idiot. "Is there anything more pathetic than a New York sports fan?" We're one in the same brotha. As fans of our teams we all take wins and losses to heart and we expect nothing less than championships. So whatever a NY fan is guilty of you are guilty of yourself.  



Since: Feb 23, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 6:17 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

It was a great game...you really cant try to break down the play by tenths of a second...I wish we had won but it was great to see the energy in the garden again....Paul Pierce is a bit ridiculous with his running around the court 18 times after the shot though. Go celebrate with your team and then move on to the next play. Game wasnt over yet. 



Since: Dec 16, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 5:25 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

First of all, it was a great game regardless of who won or lost.  Second, if you are going to split hairs about the person running the clock I'd be willing to bet if it takes them an extra .02 seconds to STOP the clock it also probably takes them .02 seconds to START it.  Therfore, it's a wash, making this whole article irrelevant (as well as a waste of space!). 



Since: Apr 6, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2010 12:35 pm
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

This is the most retarded thing I've read on a sports site in a while. Is there anything more pathetic than a New York sports fan? I thought I had heard it all when Jets fans were after the 45-3 loss -- apparently the reason the Jets lost by 42 was because two helmet-to-helmet hits on Sanchez weren't called! -- but this is ridiculous. You're going back in time to squeeze two-tenths of a second out of the Pierce play to make the Amare three good? And then say that the Knicks "really" won? Really? How about blaming the fact that the Knicks didn't get a stop the entire fourth quarter?

Your team played a good game, but come on, have a little class.



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:14 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Are you high on crack?  You really just sat your lazy a$$ at your computer and said that the knicks suck?

It wasn't me who said they suck, but I was a little surprised to see they are 16-10. A huge improvement for the Knicks this season.

YOU SIR SUCK!

LOL



Since: Oct 5, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:07 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Are you high on crack?  You really just sat your lazy a$$ at your computer and said that the knicks suck?  you are obiously one of the people that pay no attention to what is going on around the league.  The Knics have been one of the hottest teams in the NBA over that last month having won 13 out of 14 games and averaging 114.6 points per game.  I really dont understand how you or anyone at that can say this team sucks....maybe you should go back to your drawing board and see which teams really suck before you try and post some BS like this again.  by the way A'mare is averaging 28.9 points per game this season with a 10 game run of 30+ points......YOU SIR SUCK!  Lets GO KINICKS!!!



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:03 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

BTW.... Pierce needs to lay off the taunting. Take a cue from Tom Brady, you dope.



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:02 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

Very interesting to watch this development.
As I watched the 2nd clip, I thought it was definitely a bucket based on the sideline view, but as it turned out the audio part of the buzzer (at least on the video, maybe not at the stadium) was behind the red light part of the buzzer.

As for the clock stoppage on the .4, that's just kind of the way the game goes. You can't pick a part the clock like that. The NBA already added 1/10 seconds a few years ago and now they're concerned about this type of stuff?
Besides, it was in NY... so it's not like the clock keeper was a Boston homer.
Tough break for NY..... obviously an exciting finish and Amare nailed it--just a hair too late.



Since: Dec 16, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 10:29 am
 

Video: Paul Pierce game winner... kind of

This is so ridiculous.  I'm sure if you added up all the seconds that ran off the clock over the course of the entire game, there's a good 2 minutes worth of gametime that wasn't played.  That's life.  If we start complaining about this, then we have to complain about the other, and watching referees consult a clock after every made basket, foul, or other whistle will grind games that are already too long to watch into marathons where people would rather submit to torture instead.  The shot didn't count because it was on his hand when the buzzer and light went on.  No kind of.  It was.  Unless you'd like NBA games to last 4 hours with half of it devoted to clock related replay.  Because that'll be fun... Undecided


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