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Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

Posted on: December 18, 2010 4:08 pm
Edited on: August 14, 2011 9:41 pm
Who are the winners and losers of Saturday's trades between the Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns and Washington Wizards? Posted by Ben Golliver john-wall-steve-nash Earlier Saturday, the Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns and Washington Wizards agreed on trades that sent tons of pieces moving
That's a lot to take in. So who are the winners and losers of Saturday's trades?'s senior NBA writer Ken Berger and the NBA Facts & Rumors team weighs in round table style.

Ken Berger --  Hedo Turkoglu: He was lazy and inconsistent in Toronto, and didn't fit in at all in Phoenix. So what does he get to go with his $45 million? He gets traded to a contender, of course. And not just a contender, but the contender whose style and surroundings fit his game and personality. I don't know if Hedo can just flip the switch and go back to being the 2008-09 Hedo, but I know this: No knock on Jay Triano or Alvin Gentry, but Turkoglu will be held to a higher standard by Stan Van Gundy. Stan knows what an engaged, motivated Hedo can do, and he won't accept any less. And Hedo would be embarrassed if he gave any less to the organization that was gracious enough to have him back after he bolted on them for free agency, where the grass most definitely was not greener. Royce Young -- John Wall: He's been quietly waiting for the keys to the car and now he finally gets them. Ernie Grunfield and Flip Saunders tried to convince people Gilbert Arenas and Wall could co-exist in some kind of super-backcourt. And really, they probably could've, but this was more about the symbolic gesture of handing over the reins to Wall. He was never looking over his shoulder at Arenas, but now there's no question as to what's going on in Washington. It's full on rebuilding around Wall and that's got to make the top pick feel good about where he's at and where his team is headed.  Matt Moore -- Jason Richardson: Richardson shot a lot of threes in Phoenix. He'll shoot a lot of threes in ORlando. But now he'll do it on a team with the best center in basketball, and be in a position to be the guy down the stretch on an Eastern Conference Finalist team. While the Magic don't run and gun like Phoenix and Golden State have, he excelled in Larry Brown's Charlotte too. This gives him the ability to make the most of his prime and he should get plenty of looks. If he can run the pick and roll to any degree with Dwight Howard, he could be looking at the best year of his career.  Ben Golliver -- Marcin Gortat: There's nothing worse than watching a talented, agile, physical big man rotting away on the bench, and that's exactly what was happening in Orlando, as Gortat rode the pine behind MVP candidate Dwight Howard for the first four years of his NBA career. There was talk that Gortat would get pried away in free agency, but the Magic chose to retain him, and it probably felt to him like he would never get a shot. Instead, Gortat is headed to a team that desperately needs his defense and rebounding and is sure to give him plenty of playing time. He's also uniting with an elite point guard in Steve Nash, who will make his life easy on offense. Surely, Gortat's patience is about to pay off in a big way.  Losers

Ken Berger -- Alvin Gentry: The Suns' coach goes from scaring the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals to losing Amar'e Stoudemire to now losing J-Rich. But hey, he gets to coach Vince Carter. (Vince is a nice guy, but he's just playing out the string.) Who's next to go, Steve Nash? Well, yeah, he could be. If the Suns are in rebuilding/cost-cutting mode, I wouldn't rule anything out. Gentry deserves better. Matt Moore -- Ernie Grunfeld: That's it? We know Gilbert Arenas was untradeable. We forgive you for that. But to not get a pick or cash? Here's a question. Has Grunfeld won any trade in the past three years? Have they improved with any decision he's made outside of drafting John Wall, which was un-screw-up-able? Wizards fans weren't going to win in this trade, but Ted Leonsis may want to take a look if this is a business move, why they didn't really make that much money overall on it.  Ben Golliver -- Rashard Lewis: First, the prep-to-pro's talents and numbers fell off a cliff, and now he goes from Orlando, one of the league's championship contenders, to the Wizards, a Southeast Division basement dweller. Expectations for Lewis are starting off abysmally low and his fit is questionable, as Washington's frontcourt includes Andray Blatche, who plays heavy minutes, and rookie forwards Trevor Booker and Kevin Seraphin, who will need playing time going forward if they are to develop. Washington also has youngsters on the wing, so a full-time shift of Lewis to the small forward position isn't particularly ideal for rebuilding efforts either. Given the length of his contract, he is sure to be the bane of Wizards' fans existences, which is no fun, because he was able to hide out reasonably well in small-market Orlando, thanks to the team's winning and the large shadow cast by Howard. Royce Young -- Steve Nash: Nash has already expressed some level of disappointment with Jason Richardson leaving for Orlando on Twitter, saying, "Everyone wish [Richardson] the best in Orlando. Great player and great teammate! He will be missed. Damn." But now it's clear the Suns are trying to begin some sort of rebuilding project, something the 36-year-old Nash can't be excited about. The Suns almost made the NBA Finals last season behind the quality scoring of Richardson and now they get a near washed-up Vince Carter. Can't feel good for Nash right now as he sees his window closing quickly. 

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: December 20, 2010 1:46 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

Two things:

1) you answered your own question about Rashard Lewis' contract. Yes it's better (albeit slightly) because it expires a year earlier. Did you think you Gilbert Arenas' contract would bring back a good contract?

2) Do you have any clue about how the NBA salary cap works (new CBA notwithstanding)? The Wizards will be able to keep Young (and McGee) because teams can resign their own player even if it means going over the cap.

So yeah, your "witty and sarcastic" comment was understood, but since you're clueless, nobody paid much attention.

Since: Apr 3, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 8:01 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

And the bad thing is that there is a good chance they will lose out on Nick Young who has been playing really well since his contract expires while Lewis's still continues.   They'll be set to pay McGee though..

Since: Apr 3, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 7:58 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

For those who don't understand my witty and sarcastic response..
Rashard Lewis gets paid more per year by about 3 million, granted his contract will expire one year before Arenas.   However, that still means the Wizards are going to miss out on a couple really good FA classes.

Since: Apr 3, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 7:55 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

Rashard Lewis's contract is much better right?

Since: May 6, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 11:53 am

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

I feel a bit bad for Nash. Wish Magic would have retained him in a trade rather than Arenas. Hate to see Gortat go. He is the biggest loss to the Magic in my opinion.

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2010 8:03 am

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

How can Matt Moore say that Ernie Grunfeld is a "loser" for not getting a pick or cash back for Gilbert Arenas? Gilbert Arenas' contract was, by far, the most untradeable contract in the NBA. Why would another GM take that contract on AND give Washington picks or cash on top of it? The worst part is, he even recognizes the fact that Arenas was untradeable but still expects Washington to get more than they did (which was a slightly less untradeable contract). His whole point makes no sense. In fact, I bet if you asked any NBA GM, they would have told you the Washington would have had to include THIER OWN draft picks of cash in an Arenas trade. You can kill Grunfeld for a lot of moves he made, but this isn't one of them. Matt Moore asks if Grunfeld has ever won a trade....well, I think the consensus around the NBA is that he won this one.

Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2010 12:53 am

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

Nash can't be happy, but losing J-Rich isn't the core reason. The Suns choking like they did and letting Amare roll without bringing in quality talent? There's the rub. I made sure I bought my orange Suns jersey early this season...because there is no way I'm going to bank on him staying in the Valley of the Sun unless they are able to pull the trigger and get another quality player. That said, this was a good move. Turk was lame to begin with, Earl Clark never materialized and although J-Rich can roll, when he goes into a cold streak it is beyond obvious. I'm hoping Carter has just enough in the tank to keep things interesting this season. So close(in reference to the last few years, not this one) freaking close...

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2010 12:21 am

Vince Carter

Carter has been the single most over-rated "superstar" in the last 20 years of the NBA.  Tremendous physical tools combined with a .10 heart at crunch time - especially in a playoff game.  My friends and I used to make bets on when Carter would pass or trun the ball over at the end of close games.  Now, in addition to being a total bust as a prime time player, he's just old.  Just another ESPN highlight creation about the hit the unemployment line.

Hey Vince... say hello to Shawn Kemp when you hit the retirement home and save a spot for Yao Ming.  He'll be joining you there sooner rather then later.

Since: Nov 25, 2010
Posted on: December 18, 2010 10:21 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

As a Suns fan I am really stoked.  They really robbed someone in this deal.  I can see them making the playoffs again in the distant future.  It will be exciting times again when ...... oh sheet, what am I saying.  This deal really sucks.

Since: Sep 27, 2007
Posted on: December 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Magic / Suns / Wizards trades: winners & losers

Wow!  You called Vince another Dominique?  What a slap in the face to Dominique!!

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