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All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Posted on: February 1, 2011 6:58 pm
Edited on: February 1, 2011 6:59 pm
 
Do Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all deserve to represent the Boston Celtics during the 2011 NBA All-Star game? Our NBA crew debates that question. Posted by Ben Golliver.

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All-Star reserves will be announced on Thursday, and par for the course, the coaches have some tough decisions. We'll be debating the merits of each choice the coaches will have to make. These debates don't necessarily reflect the actual opinions of the writers. Think of it as opposition research, only if we opposed everyone. Our second debate? Do all four Celtics deserve to make the cut?  

Sugar Ray Isn't Sweet Enough

by Matt Moore

I'll go with three, exempting Ray Allen.

We can all agree Rondo is a lock. I think it's safe to say Kevin Garnett has punched his ticket with his season so far. So if we're not sending four, which isn't a bad idea, it comes down to Paul Pierce vs. Ray Allen.  It's true that Allen's been phenomenal, hitting 45% from the perimeter. I've got no issue with him being in the three point contest... versus himself. He's an incredible weapon for the Celtics, having a stellar year.

But the fact remains that Pierce is the better overall player, even this season. Pierce is actually shooting slightly better than Allen from the field (51.2% for Pierce vs. 50.5% for Allen), slightly, and also shooting above 40% from the perimeter. Additionally,Pierce's role in the offense makes it more difficult to maintain that kind of efficiency. Pierce drives into traffic more often, takes step-back jumpers more often, and creates off the dribble with contested shots more often. 

Pierce's total contribution is higher as well, as he rebounds more efficiently and assists and turns the ball over at a similar rate as Allen. Beyond all this, though, Pierce is more tapped in to the emotional core of the Celtics. Allen is the cooler head to prevail, the friendly statesman. But Pierce is the bridge between Garnett's unbridled intensity and Allen's cool, calm personality. He's the franchise player of the C's and his play and player identity is worthy of All-Star status yet again this season.

The Captain Stays Home

by Royce Young

There's no doubt Rajon Rondo is an All-Star. The only question with him is if you think he should rightly be the starter in this game. 

Garnett? His numbers aren't huge but his value to the Celtics is immeasurable. His defense, his leadership and his ability to take over each game he's in makes him not just an All-Star, but an underrated MVP candidate. 

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce have both been completely fantastic this season but here's where we have to draw a line in the sand. Four Celtics just can't be on this team. Not that it's not deserved but four players from one team is a bit much. (Plus, three from Miami and four from Boston? That's more than half the roster!)

So the question comes to, Pierce or Allen? Who is more deserving? To me, it has to be Ray Allen. 

Allen's 3-point percentage is impressive enough (45 percent) but it's become more than that for him. He's an underrated defender at shooting guard and is a big reason Rondo is an All-Star. Allen doesn't have a lot of years left on his career, but this is no doubt one of his finer campaigns. He's hitting every big shot, playing well within the system and is such a dynamic weapon for one of the league's very best teams. 

It's not about numbers here for Allen, it's about his efficiency. Pierce is absolutely deserving, but since I've decided for some reason that three is enough, the nod just has to go to Allen. 

Send Them All

by Ben Golliver

The Eastern Conference, by and large, is a cyst upon the NBA yet again. 5.5 good teams (The Knicks get half credit for Amar'e Stoudemire) does not make a conference, and in filling out the All-Star roster, I'm all for pretending that the other 9.5 teams don't exist. Yes, I realize this co-signs the superpower movement that the Miami Heat kicked in to high gear, but in a popularity contest like the All-Star game, it's an acceptable lesser of two evils when compared to rewarding players that can't carry their teams above the pile of mediocrity.

The Boston Celtics aren't just above mediocre, either. Despite injuries to key players, they're the best and most feared team in the conference, by far. They play basketball the right way on both ends -- unselfishly on offense, intensely on defense -- and all of the key pieces make it work. (It's a testament to their overall talent level and dedication that they're able to keep chugging along when one of the key four players goes down.) 

Point guard Rajon Rondo should arguably be an All-Star starter, so he makes the cut without question. Ditto for Kevin Garnett, who has played excellently, if not always with class. And I'm struggling to come up with an argument against Pierce or Allen. Both Pierce -- with 19.2 points, 5 rebounds and 3.2 assists -- and Allen -- 17.2 points, 3.6 rebounds, 3.1 assists -- have solid statistical cases. Both have started every game for Boston and have logged more minutes than anyone save Rondo, who is much younger than either of them. 

Whether its team success, past playoff triumphs, raw numbers or star power, the Celtics have every argument covered. All four deserve to go.

Comments

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2011 1:47 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

I'd much rather have John Wall in it than Ray and I'd take Brook Lopez over KG.
Seriously?  You'd think John Wall deserves an all-star spot?  At this stage of his career I'm pretty sure he can't hit an open jumper on a hula hoop (under 40%) , and while he's distributed decently, he hasn't earned a spot by turning around a terrible team.  The Wizards are abysmal.  Not his fault, but I'd be willing to give him credit if they'd made progress, and right now they haven't.  To me, John Wall doesn't remotely rate a spot. 

Lopez, on the other hand, is interesting.  He's regressed since last year - his rebounding has plummeted while his assists, blocks, shooting percentage, free throw percentage, and minutes have all dropped.  His PPG are up because he's shooting more in fewer minutes.  You said Bargnani doesn't deserve a spot because he's pulling 6 boards, but he's average what Lopez averages.  I think Bargnani deserves consideration over Lopez this year. 

One of the problems I have with either Garnett or Wall is that they've missed a good chunk of the season (20%+).  Same thing with Joe Johnson. 

If the East point guards are Rose and Rondo, I'd probably go with Joe Johnson as a backup anyway.  He can play that position a little and it wouldn't hurt to have someone capable of hitting an open jumper.  Even with the injuries, I think he's been slightly better than Granger this year, and since he can play the 1, I'd give him the slot.  Felton's had a nice season, but as a pure PG, he still somewhere back in the pack behind Rose and Rondo.  So that's 3 guard spots. 

Give another to Wade and there's probably room for one more.  If I'm making the team, I'd want a shooter here.  I go with Ray Allen over Granger, Nick Young, and Jason Richardson. 

Three more starter spots to Lebron, Amare, Dwight Howard.  I want at least one true backup center, so I have to pick between Andrew Bogut and Al Horford.  I take the sound rebounder and league-leader in blocks and give Bogut a spot.  My backup PF choices come down to Bosh, Bargnani, Garnett, and ?  Boozer, even with all the missed games?  Reggie Evans or Kris Humphries for the rebounding?  With missed games being the tiebreaker, Garnett gets dropped here.  One spot left and it comes down to a small forward decision between Luol Deng and Paul Pierce.  Deng's rebounding slightly better than Pierce, but Pierce is shooting the lights out.  Pierce gets the nod here. 

Rose
Wade
Rondo
Ray Allen
Joe Johnson
LeBron James
Stoudemire
Howard
Bogut
Bosh
Bargnani
Pierce

So on my East team, 3 Celtics make the cut.




Since: Nov 24, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2011 12:57 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

I'd take Brook Lopez over KG.

I'd give a shout out to Bargnani but seeing as his rebounding clip is 6 per game I'd have to say no.
as opposed to B. Lopez rebounding at 5.6per clip...thats right...7' tall and avg.'s less than 6 boards.  this guy is so weak! 



Since: Jan 29, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2011 11:48 am
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

  please proof-read your comments. they are non-sensical



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 2, 2011 9:02 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Not all 4 will get in, just like not all of Miami's big 3 will get in.

Let's get real here, Ray Allen should not get in. Dwayne Wade should not get in either. They're having nice seasons but others are more deserving.



Since: Sep 23, 2009
Posted on: February 2, 2011 6:42 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Does your computer not have any periods or commas?



Since: Sep 23, 2009
Posted on: February 2, 2011 6:40 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Speaking of morons, you spelled you're wrong...IDIOT!



Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: February 2, 2011 6:12 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

The only player deserving of a spot is Rondo. Pierce, Garnett, and Allen aren't having seasons where they should be in easily. I'd much rather have John Wall in it than Ray and I'd take Brook Lopez over KG. These players are much more deserving this year than the Big 3. I'd give a shout out to Bargnani but seeing as his rebounding clip is 6 per game I'd have to say no. Other players deserving Danny Granger, Ray Felton, Joe Johnson.



Since: Apr 7, 2009
Posted on: February 2, 2011 5:36 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Paul Pierce 



Since: Jan 8, 2008
Posted on: February 2, 2011 5:03 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Cap the allstars at max of two for any team.  I for instant am tired of seeing some of these older players who do not have all the skills anymore.  Like in the west why would you put Duncan in and not reward one of the good young forwards in the west.



Since: Jul 15, 2007
Posted on: February 2, 2011 4:54 pm
 

All-Star Debate: How many Celtics deserve to go?

Your a Moron Go Suck Off Queen James he is Probably your type so at least you will have something going on there!


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